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#101617: "ELO rates of unrelated players may decrease when someone exits the game"
#101617: "ELO rates of unrelated players may decrease when someone exits the game"
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• Please copy/paste the error message you see on your screen, if applicable.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Please explain what you wanted to do, what you did and what happened
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v117
• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v117
• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v117
• What was displayed on the screen when you were blocked (Blank screen? Part of the game interface? Error message?)
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v117
• Which part of the rules was not followed by the BGA adaptation?
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v117
• What was the game action you wanted to do?
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• What did you try to do to trigger this game action?
• What happened when you tried to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v117
• At which step of the game did the problem occur? What was the current game instruction?
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• What happened when you tried to do this game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v117
• Please describe the display issue. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v117
• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v117
• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v117
Report history
Oct 18th 2023 4:54 • kaien032 • This suggestion has not been analyzed by the developers yet:
Nothing
Dec 21st 2023 17:04 • kaien032 • This suggestion has not been analyzed by the developers yet:
I checked a few replays and this ELO rate specification seems to be a bug that only occurs when someone exits at 100% game progress.
Dec 30th 2023 11:00 • WallBuilder • This suggestion has not been analyzed by the developers yet:
I had this problem in a game of Agricola. I was going to win, another player timed out, and another player made them quick. I lost ELO because I tied with the two players with lower ratings
Dec 30th 2023 11:01 • WallBuilder • This suggestion has not been analyzed by the developers yet:
#444591324
Feb 26th 2024 11:20 • WallBuilder • This suggestion has not been analyzed by the developers yet:
This happened again here - another player quit just before the finish of the game, and I lost 9 ELO, even though I was about to win!
Agricola n°469154699
Agricola n°469154699
Mar 16th 2024 11:13 • Freddy_Choppin • This suggestion has not been analyzed by the developers yet:
This looks like the same issue I had with a game of Wingspan: boardgamearena.com/table?table=487704894 yesterday.
A player timed out during his/her last move of the game, was kicked and even therefore first place was shared between the rest of the players including myself. Because other players had lower ELO, I ended up losing points when I otherwise would have won the game and gained ELO.
A player timed out during his/her last move of the game, was kicked and even therefore first place was shared between the rest of the players including myself. Because other players had lower ELO, I ended up losing points when I otherwise would have won the game and gained ELO.
Apr 4th 2024 17:59 • DanGamesPdx • This suggestion has not been analyzed by the developers yet:
I've had this happen several times in space base at 100% completion
Apr 22nd 2024 20:16 • Phoxtrot • This suggestion has not been analyzed by the developers yet:
Tangential to this, I have made a suggestion about making the framework more flexible so that specific games can implement specific solutions when someone quits the game.
See boardgamearena.com/bug?id=121841
(Link to discussion thread in the suggestion report)
See boardgamearena.com/bug?id=121841
(Link to discussion thread in the suggestion report)
May 5th 2024 13:27 • KSpooky • This suggestion has not been analyzed by the developers yet:
This is really annoying, can you do something about that? During last month it happened 3 times in Terraforming Mars Arena. Loosing player haven't put final greenery and eventually got dropped. My win was considered as a draw and in effect I've lost ELO and Arena points, because enemies had much lower ranking. It is not suppose to work like that. It is simply unfair.
So why not simply skip quiter turns if the game is at 90%+ progression? Or replace it with some dummy AI? Make it to never lost ELO/Arena Ranking on player drop?
So why not simply skip quiter turns if the game is at 90%+ progression? Or replace it with some dummy AI? Make it to never lost ELO/Arena Ranking on player drop?
May 26th 2024 22:01 • Shivaware • This suggestion has not been analyzed by the developers yet:
This was a long-standing issue, and a few years ago, they added a lower cap so that none of the remaining players could actually lose Elo, but the remaining player with the lowest Elo would still gain Elo from everyone else. Unfortunately, when they added the power-levelling changes, the lower cap was removed and it is now possible for remaining players to lose Elo again.
The ideal solution would be to just consider it as everyone winning separate 2-player games against the person who left.
Someone suggested that already here: boardgamearena.com/bug?id=109466
The ideal solution would be to just consider it as everyone winning separate 2-player games against the person who left.
Someone suggested that already here: boardgamearena.com/bug?id=109466
Jul 1st 2024 10:13 • Shivaware • This suggestion has not been analyzed by the developers yet:
Hmm, I wonder if this has been recently addressed.
In this game:
boardgamearena.com/table?table=528318388
I can now see a message in the "Details of ELO calculation" that says "You cannot lose ELO when a player quits the game".
If it's fixed for all games, that is a welcome change!
In this game:
boardgamearena.com/table?table=528318388
I can now see a message in the "Details of ELO calculation" that says "You cannot lose ELO when a player quits the game".
If it's fixed for all games, that is a welcome change!
Sep 3rd 2024 15:02 • BROT42 • This suggestion has been implemented:
hello :)
thanks for reporting the issue, we noticed there was indeed a bug where if the game was quit at 100% progression (which is unexpected but still possible, although it depends on each specific game implementation, according to how it has been developed), players could lose ELO when the rating update calculation was resulting in a negative delta (for ex when a strong player was tie with a weak player, as a result of game neuteralization). this delta would normally be set min to 0, but on 100% it wasn't happening.
the issue has now been fixed as of 28th aug 2024 (see changelog boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=188266#p188266).
sorry for the troubles and thank you for your patience!
thanks for reporting the issue, we noticed there was indeed a bug where if the game was quit at 100% progression (which is unexpected but still possible, although it depends on each specific game implementation, according to how it has been developed), players could lose ELO when the rating update calculation was resulting in a negative delta (for ex when a strong player was tie with a weak player, as a result of game neuteralization). this delta would normally be set min to 0, but on 100% it wasn't happening.
the issue has now been fixed as of 28th aug 2024 (see changelog boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=188266#p188266).
sorry for the troubles and thank you for your patience!
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