#22392: "No explanation of who starts first in case 2 or more players have the same result"
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The phrase appeared in the translation system: ${playerName} goes first with the lowest total of ${total}• Please explain what you wanted to do, what you did and what happened
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The phrase appeared in the translation system: ${playerName} goes first with the lowest total of ${total}• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
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The phrase appeared in the translation system: ${playerName} goes first with the lowest total of ${total}• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
• Which part of the rules was not followed by the BGA adaptation
The phrase appeared in the translation system: ${playerName} goes first with the lowest total of ${total}• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?
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Google Chrome v84
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The phrase appeared in the translation system: ${playerName} goes first with the lowest total of ${total}• What happened when you tried to do this game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
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Google Chrome v84
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The phrase appeared in the translation system: ${playerName} goes first with the lowest total of ${total}• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
The phrase appeared in the translation system: ${playerName} goes first with the lowest total of ${total}• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
The phrase appeared in the translation system: ${playerName} goes first with the lowest total of ${total}• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v84
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First of all, here is the relevant text from the official rules: "The first player is the one with the lowest ship total (resolve any ties by rolling other dice)" (www.funforge.fr/US/files/quantum/Quantum_rules_US.pdf)
However, I've never seen any evidence of "rolling other dice". So, I went through my last 50 games for all games that started with a tie in ship totals. I found 5 such tables, and I "lost" the tie break every time:
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=114587870
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=114318546
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=114216828
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=113573590
boardgamearena.com/gamereview?table=113368664
Admittedly it's not the biggest sample size, but I think it's enough to be significant: the probability of losing all 5 coin flips is only 0.5^5 = 3%.
I've glanced through the code, and I don't see any alterations to the order of the player list after it is fetched from the DB. I believe the relevant code starts at quantum.game.php:116. I'm also not a PHP programmer, so I'll defer to those who have actually worked on the code :)
I'll also note that 4/5 of the above instances, my player ID is lower than my opponent's (outlier is ibav, table #114216828).
The low-effort fix here would be to simply shuffle the player list randomly immediately after fetching from the DB, and add an explanation to the log text that indicates the starting player was selected randomly.
Thanks as always for your work on this game!
boardgamearena.com/1/quantum?table=118667175
Has there been a code change that fixed this?
imgur.com/mpz8cTf
imgur.com/2Dkb3LW
imgur.com/pN4YZ4j
imgur.com/MM4GYCY
imgur.com/IrW8uqC
Let me know if this is still an issue. Closing as fixed now.
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