• Please copy/paste the error message you see on your screen, if applicable.

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Please explain what you wanted to do, what you did and what happened

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

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Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

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By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• Which browser are you using?

• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Which browser are you using?

• What was displayed on the screen when you were blocked (Blank screen? Part of the game interface? Error message?)

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Which browser are you using?

• Which part of the rules was not followed by the BGA adaptation?

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• Which browser are you using?

• What was the game action you wanted to do?

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• What did you try to do to trigger this game action?

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• What happened when you tried to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?

• Which browser are you using?

• At which step of the game did the problem occur? What was the current game instruction?

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• What happened when you tried to do this game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• Which browser are you using?

• Please describe the display issue. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Which browser are you using?

• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?

4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413

Not 100% sure this is a site issue or "only" a site issue so I also have created a gamer specific bug report:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=111437

So in this game, first player wins some ELO, second "wins" 0 ELO and 3 and 4 lose quite a lot of ELO.

Even though our K factors are I think about the same and only a minor 3% effect from consecutive wins for a player, there is a big total not less of ELO at the table

It really doesn't make sense.

Player 2 is marked as having lost in a team so he cannot win ELO but player 3 and 4 are still losing ELO to player 2 which mean that they are NOT in a team. How can player 2 be in a team with 3 and 4 but player 3 and 4 not be in team with player 2 ?

King of Tokyo is not a cooperative game so they are really only a few ways to handle the results that would make sense:
1) Rank everyone (this is the normal behavior, this is how it used to be) and everyone lose and win ELO according to who is ranked higher or lower than them at the end of the game
2) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players have a "draw" between them
3) Consider that 1 player won and all the other players do not have a ELO exchange between them

What happened in this game is none of the above, it's a hybrid that doesn't make sense and screw the players of any game with more than 2 players.

So lets me explain again with different words:
The player who finished second did not win ELO even though he addition of the individual ELO gains indicate that he should have. ( -5.79 + 9 + 9.65 = 0 doh !)

But the players who finished 3rd and 4th did lose ELO not just for losing to the winner but also for losing to the second player. 3rd player: -17.82 + 11.46 - 19.3 = -25.67
4th player : - 8.19 , -9 , - 5.89 = -23.08

That's not good.

----------
Side note:
This is not the topic of this report but player 3 got -3% for her consecutive win against player 4.
Logic should really be that player 4 also got his ELO loss against player 3 reduced by 3%

------

By the way, why is the K factor hidden now ?
The game was already hiding the multiplayer factor and now it is also hiding the k factor. This 100% looks like a "let's hide all the details" so that players cannot even see the bugs that we don't want to solve.

• Which browser are you using?

• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.

Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe

• Which browser are you using?