#100998: "The selection of gurus by the number of games played generates a representativeness bias"
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These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
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These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
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These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• Which browser are you using?
Google Chrome v117
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These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
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Google Chrome v117
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These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
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Google Chrome v117
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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
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These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
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Google Chrome v117
• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
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Google Chrome v117
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You seem to misunderstand how gurus work.
You can be a guru without playing in the arena so people playing the game in various configurations CAN be represented.
But it is true that many experienced players only play or mostly play in Arena mode and they might pass for a season if they don't like the configuration which creates an unwelcome form of inertia.
Perhaps games with more players should count for a bit more as they take more time ?
I don't think that forcing other players counts to be represented would be a good idea.
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You aren't more likely to become a guru in a short game because the number of games required to play to become a guru depends on how many times the other players play the game.
I have once been a guru for a game (Expedition Northwest) for playing a single game in that season and I didn't even have 100 ELO.
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It is also true that making gurus only those who play the game a lot creates a bias.
I think that there should be a certain randomness to it to create representativity :
- on top of the players selected for having played the most, some players should be selected randomly at some specific time before the end of the season. There would be a minimum requirement like having finished 2 games within the season, excluding "friendly" games.
All in all, I don't think it is a very important issue but it is an issue.
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